Didattica innovativa e lauree multiple simultanee al POLIBA: non possiamo proporre qualcosa di piu' innovativo dei Politecnici del Nord?

Vedo che inevitabile, sta calando il silenzio sulla campagna elettorale di agosto.

Tuttavia, mi rivolgo ai Candidati, di cui ho letto, magari non nei minimi dettagli, i programmi.  Nonchè ai giovani eventualmente in ascolto.  Ora sono finiti gli esami, si devono riposare, ma è anche vero che non ci potrebbe essere momento migliore per dedicarsi a spingere la campagna elettorale su temi che possano rilanciare il PoliBA.  Purtroppo è una "concorso interno", non possiamo prendere, chesso', Sergio Marchionne o altri visionari (ma vedi il successivo sondaggio sui Rettori Esterni della Legge Gelmini che mi era sfuggito...), ma spingiamo perchè i ns candidati diano il meglio, e non si contentino di vincere e battersi su idee ormai consumate, come in molti casi, ho visto.  Diamo loro forza e coraggio!

Non mi pare di aver visto una grandissima voglia o forza di innovare.  Avevo sperato, vedendo le parole creatività e idee molto ripetute a caratteri cubitali nel programma di Galantucci.  Avevo sperato in Eugenio DiSciascio che è un ottimo informatico.  Avevo sperato in Mascolo che si propone "giovane".

Ma finora non ho visto molto.  A Lecce dicono che faranno le magistrali in inglese, copiando il PoliMI --- chissà con quali risultati!   A Napoli la Federico II di Napoli ha messo su alcuni corsi come Web-Learning, su Itunes, il Politecnico di Torino ha il “Mobile Campus”.

Io nel mio piccolo avevo proposto già nelle "conferenze di Ateneo" indette da Nicola Costantino, delle innovazioni che io stesso esperimento, su social network.  Vedasi qua dove ci sono dei video delle presentazioni powerpoint, che posso fornire a chi le desidera (stanno in molti gruppi facebook di studenti ora in discussione).

Sono stato spesso frainteso. Una delle cose che certamente questo NON è, è quello di rimanere a casa a non fare niente, e facebook insegna per te.   Invito i candidati a leggere attentamente le possibilità di queste idee, di valutarne di più nuove, un mix innovativo, adatto alle nostre Sedi Periferiche per es.

Mi direte, tutta fantascienza, ci sono i Paletti del Ministero su cui dobbiamo regolarci.  E' vero, ma ci sono anche i ragazzi da entusiasmare, altri studenti da prendere da fuori, non subire le innovazioni di seconda mano di Lecce, e invece farne noi di primissima mano.   Mi ha fatto impressione qualche anno fa leggere di Marco De Rossi di Oil Project, che un articolo chiamava "Rettore Bambino". Ebbene, ora che mi pare si stia laureando in Bocconi, e fa interviste via rete a personaggi di primissimo piano, sono certo che sarà Rettore presto, ma non per essere figlio di imprenditore delle costruzioni (spero, almeno, magari mi sbaglio e anche Marco ha genitori imprenditori molto grossi!).


Ma un'altra idea, impedita al momento forse dal Ministero è proporre LAUREE MULTIPLE.
In America sono la regola!   Ovviamente, dato che in USA c'e' deregulation, e non le norme del 1933 italiane.

Quello che mi sembrava essere un sogno di I have a “regional university” dream…………. in USA è già realtà!   Facendola breve, il limite è 3 lauree contemporaneamente, mentre per es. in Ucraina è 5.

Sto cercando di informarmi per le varie nazioni Europee, ma la Cecoslovacchia mi pare non abbia alcun limite!    Insomma, solo noi abbiamo tanti paletti....


Riporto alcuni esempi.   UNIVERSITY OF IOWA

Earning multiple undergraduate degrees

You may earn more than one degree from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, or you may earn one degree from CLAS and a second degree from another of the University's colleges.

Multiple degrees from CLAS

You may earn more than one baccalaureate degree from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. For example, you may earn a BS in biology and a BA in English, or a BA in mathematics and a BM in music. The degrees may be earned concurrently or successively.

However, you can never be awarded two different baccalaureate degrees with the same major (e.g.,  you may not earn both a BA and a BS in Psychology). Likewise, the BLS is not awarded concurrently with another degree.

In order to earn additional baccalaureate degrees from CLAS, you must fulfill all requirements for each degree, including those for all majors and for the General Education Program. You must also fulfill the CLAS and UI residence requirements.

Multiple degrees from CLAS and another UI college

You may earn a University of Iowa baccalaureate degree from another UI college at the same time you are earning your CLAS degree. For example, you may earn a BS from CLAS while also earning a BBA from the Tippie College of Business. Any student earning baccalaureate degrees from two colleges is generally referred to as participating in the "combined degree program."

In order to earn concurrent baccalaureate degrees from different colleges, you must:

• be admitted to those colleges
• satisfy all requirements for the additional degrees, including the requirements for the majors and for the appropriate General Education Programs of both colleges
• satisfy the residence requirements of The University of Iowa and of both colleges

Additional information is available in the cooperating colleges' student services offices. Students seeking additional degrees from different UI undergraduate colleges are urged to review all requirements with their advisors as soon as possible.

Returning to CLAS for successive baccalaureate degrees

If you have been awarded one or more baccalaureate degrees from The University of Iowa, you may return for one or more additional baccalaureate degrees, as long as the degree is different from the one you previously earned (e.g., if you received a BA, you may return and earn a BS, BM, or BFA).  You may not earn a second BA degree; instead, you may return and complete a second major. For more information on earning a second major, please see Returning to earn additional majors.

Likewise, a student with a baccalaureate degree from another UI college may return and earn an additional baccalaureate degree from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences as long as the degrees are not identical. For example, if a student has already earned a BBA, a BSN or a BSE, he or she may return to earn a BA, BS, or a BFA from CLAS.

• You may not earn two different baccalaureate degrees with the same major, such as a BA in Psychology and BS in Psychology. Instead, you must choose another major for the additional baccalaureate degree.
• You may not be enrolled in a graduate or professional program while earning a baccalaureate degree. Concurrent enrollment is not allowed.

In order to earn the additional baccalaureate degree, you must meet all requirements for that degree, including the General Education and the CLAS and UI residence requirements. Any student interested in returning to earn an additional baccalaureate degree from CLAS must apply for admission to The University of Iowa and to the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences.

Please Note: BA, BS, BFA, BM, or BLS degrees awarded by The University of Iowa after August 1994 satisfy all requirements of the current General Education Program. A student who graduated with these degrees before August 1994 has satisfied all areas of the General Education Program except for the current foreign language component, which must be completed.

Multiple baccalaureate degrees from different institutions

If you have one or more baccalaureate degrees from another college or university, you may earn one or more additional baccalaureate degrees from CLAS. To do this, you must:

1. Apply for admission to The University of Iowa and to the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. The department in which you wish to study will review your application and supporting documents and recommend an admission decision.
2. Fulfill all requirements for the major and the degree, including the General Education and the CLAS and UI residence requirements. Note: Any student holding a BA or BS in the liberal arts and sciences from another institution is considered to have completed all UI General Education Program requirements except for the foreign language requirement. If a student has not earned such a degree, all General Education requirements are evaluated separately for course equivalency.

You may not be enrolled in a graduate or professional program while earning a baccalaureate degree. Concurrent enrollment is not allowed. You may not use graduate credit earned at another institution towards a University of Iowa bachelor's degree.

Accelerated Professional Track program (MBA)

Highly qualified undergraduate students in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences (or in the College of Engineering or the Tippie College of Business) interested in earning a Master of Business Administration may be admitted to the Accelerated Professional Track (APT) program within the Tippie College of Business.

These students begin taking MBA core courses as electives in their undergraduate program. APT students also complete an internship while in the program.

To enter the APT program, a student must complete 90 s.h. of undergraduate study, have a GPA of at least 3.50, have clearly defined career goals, and indicate an intent to pursue both degree programs on a full-time basis. A student must also have a professional background similar to that of students enrolled in the MBA program.

More information is available from the Tippie School of Management.

Baccalaureate degree with early admission to
Medicine or Dentistry

A student earning a baccalaureate degree from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences may accept early admission to any accredited medical or dental college that offers early admission.

Before enrolling in the professional program, a CLAS student must:
1. satisfy all General Education requirements
2. satisfy all requirements for the major
3. complete a minimum of 90 s.h. as an undergraduate student
4. fulfill the CLAS and UI residence requirements

During the first year of enrollment in medical or dental school, the student must earn the final 30 s.h. required for a CLAS baccalaureate degree. (A maximum of 30 s.h. from medical or dental programs can be applied toward the CLAS baccalaureate degree as elective credit.) The student must file the degree application for the CLAS baccalaureate degree during the semester in which he or she earns the final 30 s.h. from the medical or dental college.

From a Yahoo answers group. 

How many college degrees can someone have?

Is there a limit to how many and what combination of degrees that someone can have? Can someone have more than one associate's or bachelor's degrees in two different areas? How about multiple master's or doctorate's also? If someone could clarify or give a link to information regarding the common rules for college degrees, that would be great!

Most people assume that it's as easy as "as many as you can pay for" but it's not really. Colleges have second degree rules, academic progress rules, and specific transfer of course rules that eventually put a stop to your collection.

There is no one link to look at because it differs some from college-to-college but here are some key points for you to look at.

Note that some colleges will not allow you to work backward - that is; once you have a bachelor's, they won't issue an associates.

Associates level - they don't really care so much. You might start raising eyebrows when you go over four. They will be required to be very different from each other - you won't be able to do multiple associates in very close fields (benefiting from overlap) but you can usually get away with that once. For example, you could likely get away with an AA in English followed by an AA in Communication. 

Be really careful here though - most bachelor's programs limit transfer credit from a community college to 60 hours - you'd have wasted a lot of classes if you're going on to a bachelor's. They also take a lot of time for the return unless you're looking at things like nursing or IT.

Know too that these hours are going to count in the satisfactory progress rules of your bachelor's degree. Four unrelated associates degrees could net you well over the allowed hours and still no bachelor's because of that 60 hour transfer rule.

Bachelor's - some get very picky. Two bachelor's is pretty common and not all that difficult. Most second degree rules will require 150 hours for the second bachelor's and will transfer in as much as 120 hours from the first one. In other words, you need 30 new hours in addition to meeting all of the degree requirements. 

A third bachelor's will follow the same pattern but most schools start raising eyebrows on the third one. You'll need a really good reason why. They expect that by this time you'll need to be working on your master's or can accomplish your career goals with a post-bachelor's/graduate certificate program. Expect to need an additional 30 new hours above the first two.

The issue after this one and why we don't see too many people with four bachelor's is the satisfactory progress rule. At 180 hours, you're expected to be done with undergrad. The third bachelor's puts you right around 180 hours. You don't hear about this much because not that many people are pushing that close to 200 hours of undergrad (I have 198) so it never comes up in discussion except with professional students.

Following the traditional 30 hours per year - 180 hours is 6 years of full-time study.

Effectively; the limit is three but in practice it's usually two.

Master's - There's the additional issue of qualifying to enter the program here. Most master's programs will transfer very little, if any, credit from another master's. That means that each one is a stand-alone effort. But, there's not a second degree or satisfactory progress limit on the master's at most colleges.

For this reason, there are some people out there with a collection of master's degrees. The former director of NASA has five. There's a faculty member of one of the Ivy schools with eleven. Two is pretty common these days, three not unheard of, four is about the usual maximum. (my personal academic goal is five, I'm working on the third)

The real issue here is that master's level work is very demanding and not introductory like the associates and bachelor's. It takes a lot of effort to even become eligible to enroll in one master's program - considerable effort to meet the prerequisites for several. To do it, you have to have a bachelor's degree that is exceptionally well rounded (BA/BSc in Liberal Arts) - a BBA isn't going to get you into psych or engineering master's.

At the master's level, you can get a degree in any subject that you can get accepted into the program for. Many don't even have specific undergrad major requirements (MBA, MHA, MPH, MPA) and those that do will often allow you in if you take the right undergrad courses.

People usually stop at two master's because getting a master's is expensive and hard work and very few people have the immediate qualification to enter more than two fields of advanced study.

The doctorate - there are three types of degree at this level. There is the first professional (MD, JD, DO, DVM, DDS, etc), the practice (EdD, DBA, DMA, DA), and the academic (PhD)

It is entirely possible to get one of each if you have plenty of time and money. There aren't the same sorts of limits the others impose. Getting into more than one at this level would be a feat in itself. But, there are plenty of people out there with an MD or JD and a PhD - it's not uncommon at all. I've known a few with a practice based degree (EdD) that followed it with a PhD in nearly the same field.

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lifetime professional student with a pretty nice degree collection

From another yahoo answer group 

Double major doesn't mean you get two separate degrees. I got one degree in physics and astronomy, not a degree in both of them.

Some colleges (mostly state schools) will let you major in more than two subjects, but again, you'll just have three subjects listed on one degree.

You can always go back and get another bachelors degree, or go on to get a masters, PhD, or professional degree. You can keep doing this until you die if you want to set a world record for most degrees earned.